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Today I have an exceptional person to interview, someone who I have grown to admire, his story. His name is Walter Perry, I call him Walt. And today we're gonna get into talking about his role as a community leader, activist, someone who's also involved with our nonprofit community. And so right now I'm going to ask you to pay full attention to Walter. Tell us about who you are and where you grew up. And that will get us started.\r\n\r\n\r\nWalter Perry  0:35  \r\nI grew up in San Antonio, East Sider, ‘bout three, four generation San Antonian. So my grandparents, they are not originally from here. But they migrated here from a small town from Cuero, and also Austin, Texas. But we are primarily– I'm gonna San Antonian to the heart.\r\n\r\n\r\nChristopher Herring 0:54  \r\nMm-hm, mm-hm. And so you have family? \r\n\r\n\r\nWalter Perry  0:56  \r\nYes. Yeah, so we have family here. I have a lot of family here from cousins to play cousins to “wannabe” cousins and all that. We all have our roots here on the East Side and all over San Antonio,\r\n\r\n\r\nChristopher Herring  1:08  \r\nYou have your wife and you have children?\r\n\r\n\r\nWalter Perry  1:11  \r\nYes, yes, I have– I have a beautiful wife, she's from New Orleans, Louisiana. And I also have eight beautiful children. They all range from the twenties all the way down to the age of five years old. I'm very happy being a father, I'm very happy being a husband. It's one of the greatest joys of my life. And one thing about San Antonio is that it's all about families. And I take pride in raising my family and I take pride– no matter how big it is. And being that I come from a big family, this is like a blessing to me.\r\n\r\n\r\nChristopher Herring  1:40  \r\nSo as the city is moving into 300-year celebration, and as a person who has had a very loud voice on issues, tell us what– what are those areas that you want to see our city to celebrate? And then what are some areas for our city to improve?\r\n\r\n\r\nWalter Perry  1:58  \r\nWell, the first thing I want to say is that I really appreciate San Antonio small business, because that's what's keeping San Antonio alive right now. And for the last 300 years, last 500 years, or however long San Antonio has been here, or Texas period, small business has always been the motor that's kept this city growing. And so I want to– I want to champion small business, especially on the East Side and the West Side, and all those little small areas that get overlooked for funding or whatever. So I would like to see our small business improve. I would also like to see a lot more other people get into business. I would like to see more business classes in probably less fortunate areas, low income areas. Not just handing people papers, but actually sitting people down and taking them through the process of owning the business. And for the people that's been anchoring our communities like, say, a “Ma” Harper [Alice “Ma” Harper], or somebody like that, who may not qualify for this type of funding, there needs to be some type of funding to help our small business. And where I see the city in the next few years, I see the city growing, but also see that our young people are getting more into the technology part. And things like Geekdom and Tech Bloc, I’d like to see those types of things expanded to not only the low income communities, but on the East Side. Because we have the– we have the– the manpower, and we have the mental capacity to not only learn this new technology, but also be innovators to other types of new technology. So I would like to see, I know that we're going to see technology be one of the driving forces in our city.\r\n\r\n\r\nChristopher Herring  3:38  \r\nWhen you think about the past, you think about leaders who have come and who have gone. Who are some of those names that have shaped who you are today, just based off of how they approached community and community building? \r\n\r\n\r\nWalter Perry  3:53  \r\nWell, I have to start with my grandmother. Her nickname was “Cop,” Ruth Mae Carter. She lived off Martin Luther King [Drive] and she was very pivotal, along with other community members, in driving away the drug dealers over on the hill, and also going up against Sonny Mitchell. Anybody that's familiar with San Antonio during the 70s and 80s, and part of the 90s, drugs and gangs were very rampant amongst our communities. And so our grandmothers, our mothers, our grandp– our grandfathers and our fathers, they were very instrumental in being at PTA [Parent-Teacher Association] meetings. They were very instrumental in the church. They were very instrumental in just stopping things. And– and, you know, we don't give enough due to those type of small people. We always think about the big people. And I would like to give credit to people like Claude Black. I would like to give credit to other people who established themselves like the Suttons, and people like that, who not only did things in San Antonio, but Percy Sutton went to New York and became a big political and business figure there. \r\n\r\n\r\nChristopher Herring  4:54  \r\nSure. Yeah, I grew up in New York and so WBLS Radio was Sutton radio station. And I never really knew that I would have the chance to come back to a place where the Sutton name was– was really a very powerful name.\r\n\r\n\r\nWalter Perry  5:07  \r\nI read a lot about Percy Sutton and I actually study him a little bit. And that's what drove me to now I'm– I'm at Texas A\u0026M taking business classes because I studied the life of Percy Sutton, and also the life of Charles Bellinger. So the history of San Antonio is deep with– within me, I have a lot of roots here. But also, I listen to a lot of my elders. And history is a great driving force for me and why I do my community work.\r\n\r\n\r\nChristopher Herring  5:36  \r\nVery good. And so in terms of your nonprofit work, can you tell us more about what– what you do with nonprofits as well?\r\n\r\n\r\nWalter Perry  5:43  \r\nWell, what I do with nonprofits, we started an organization called the SuitUp business and professional clothing exchange program. And we started that because there were a lot of people that were getting out of jail, namely, who didn't have clothes for interviews. They just didn't have decent clothes. And also there were kids that were going to school, they had ensembles, they had pictures, and they wanted to wear nice clothes. And so we just want to afford them that opportunity to wear nice clothes. But at the same time, we began a mentorship, we began like a peer recovery. We started talking to ‘em, letting them know that we come from the same things that y'all come from, and these are the things that we did to get us to where we are now. And we just want to be brothers, we want to be sisters to you, we just want to be friends to you. And the SuitUp program, in the last few years, I’d say in the last few years we've suited up over 250 Kids and adults. And our mission is to suit up the world. And I think right now with– with the help of the community, they've been very instrumental in donations, and volunteering. And I think that's what makes the SuitUp program so unique is that it was– it was made specifically to get the community involved. And I think we've been successful in that. And in the future, we want to build on that. \r\n\r\n\r\nChristopher Herring  7:00  \r\nWell it sounds like a fabulous name, SuitUp. And– and it has, I think when we talk about inner cities and we talk about, you know, people who need a second chance, the fact that you've identified a solution, you know, for people who do need to present themselves well in interviews, which is probably the most critical step next to the resume, that you're giving people opportunity to reestablish themselves. So you talked about mentoring, who have been some of the more impactful mentors to you? Just in terms of helping to make sure that, you know, as a young person, that you're able to stay focused, but then move your– your own mission ahead?\r\n\r\n\r\nWalter Perry  7:44  \r\nThere's been many people that’s had a hand in me– or hand on me. As a matter of fact, the guy that just left, John Martin– he and I, we have over a 10-year relationship. And he was actually the first guy who gave me my first suit as an adult. I was homeless at the time, and I had enrolled in to St. Philip's College. And he was there at the Student Center. He was in a program called hun– not 100 Black Men, it was called African American Male Initiative. And I joined– I didn't have anywhere to go after school, you know, I didn't have a house to go to– but he embraced me and I had ended up winning homecoming king that year, and I didn't have a suit. So he took me, personally, to go get a suit. And from that moment– you know, I cried when I put it on, because nobody's ever given me anything like that. But the significance of it– it inspired me till now, why I got SuitUp is because somebody saw something in me, and then they gave it to me, and then I want to give it to them. And then also you, brother [referring to Christopher Herring], you've been a good mentor to me too. You know, you've– for one EPIC [Entrepreneurial and Professional Institute Connection], you know, you put me– you put me in situations to where, you know, somebody who–\r\n\r\n\r\nChristopher Herring 8:57\r\n–The EPIC Leadership Program, the Chamber of Commerce’s program? \r\n\r\n\r\nWalter Perry  8:59  \r\nYes, the Black Chamber of Commerce, the EPIC program. And that program was instrumental in feeding my hunger to want to know more about the business world. But what– what you did, you made it– you made it all right for me to accept who I was. But at the same time, you presented an opportunity to say, “Hey, brother, I'm here for you.” You gave me a– you gave me your personal number. You called, you checked on me. But not only that, you invested in me. And that's something that, you know, you can't put a price tag on. When somebody really believes in you, they're going to invest in you. Some people may tell you, “Yeah, yeah, you smart, I believe in you.” But– but when people say, “Look, I'm finna take this, and I'm finna pay this for you, because I believe that this is going to take you to the next level,” that does something to somebody who grew up not really having much. And that's why, you know, I– I speak with passion, I speak with conviction. And, you know, I'm going to speak up when things are not, you know, right for the people and I'm going to give credit to the people that has been there for me. And you know, brother, you are one of those people.\r\n\r\n\r\nChristopher Herring  10:05  \r\nYou have a large voice. And that voice has helped to provide some problems, making problems aware to the overall community, and then some solutions. So my question is when we talk about a problem that, you know, impacts our Black community, which may be, you know, community relationship with our police, what should that relationship really be in order to enable the community be– to be blessed?\r\n\r\n\r\nWalter Perry  10:30  \r\nIt should be a partnership, for starters, because the community is invested, believe it or not. You don't have to have a big building to be known as a business owner. Every homeowner in that community is a business owner, because they pay taxes, they do all those things. So there needs to– there– there has to be some type of partnership to where when the police come– comes in, they know who's who, for starters. And then there should be some type of outreach to where police are going door-to-door the same way pastors do, the same way Jehovah Witness do. The police need to go door-to-door and get to know who these neighbors are. Second thing is to not, you know, think that everybody is the same. One thing that I'm seeing on the East Side, and I live right in the heart of the East Side, right off of F Street and Lone Oak, right in “the sticks,” what they call it. I see state troopers every night, I see constables, I see like three or four different types of law enforcement stopping people. On one hand, I like– I like the fact that [motions with air quotes] they're doing this to keep us safe. But on the other hand, you're pulling over people who live in the neighborhood. And there should be some type of system or something to where they know who is who, and then they can stop– they can stop the cars that don't belong over there. But I don't know, they haven't stopped me, so, you know, and they haven't stopped my wife. So I guess they know where we live. But I just think there needs to be a partnership. And we sh– they shouldn’t look at us as, you know, criminals. Like– all right, like, for instance, the four-year-old got killed on the East Side, right? And they had this big ol’ thing about, [as police] “Yeah, we're gonna stop crime and…” All right, they haven't caught the killer of the four-year-old. Now a three-year-old just got murdered. And so then I saw Daniel, which I guess it happened in his district, he said, “I can't believe I live in a city where, you know, somebody's gonna let a three-year-old just get killed.” I said, “Well join the party.” I live in a city where they finna let a four-year-old just get killed for nothing. So it's not, you know, the– the thing about it is, is that it's not more cops. It's– it’s about the– the communication between do I trust– do I trust the police telling you this information? Or once I tell you, then are you going to see, if– if I'm Hispanic, you're gonna see if all my family got papers, so I'm not gonna tell you nothing. Then– then if– if I'm Black, I'm definitely going to talk to you, because then you're going to run my license and see if I got a warrant. And then you probably are not going to catch the person who did it. And then that person is going to come after me. So you got– you got two groups of people, Hispanic and Black, who don't trust the police. Because they know that the police don't just do they job, they try to do everybody else's job too. They give a damn when it ain’t they time to give a damn. You see what I'm saying? And so I think– I think the thing about it is, is that it's going to take outreach. Mike Helle, you know, I sat down with him for three hours, him and Dean. And we– I– like I brought them something that– that the community wanted me to bring to them from every meeting I went to, and we sat down for three hours, and I thank them for giving me three hours. However, there has not been any follow up. There's no– been no follow up. It's been over a year now. And so my thing is one, I was on the council with the– with the last mayor. And just like I said on camera, she wasn't going to do anything, and she didn't do nothing. So here we are now, October. The community has no seat at the table. But the police and the city council, they're making all these decisions for us. And we're not having– they’re hand picking people who they want to see sit at the table.\r\n\r\n\r\nChristopher Herring  14:22  \r\nSo I think– I think what you're– you're saying is that there still needs to be work to improve– \r\n\r\n\r\nWalter Perry  14:28\r\n–There needs to be–\r\n\r\n\r\nChristopher Herring  14:29\r\n–But– but how about the question of–\r\n\r\n\r\nWalter Perry  14:31\r\n–There needs to be community involvement.\r\n\r\n\r\nChristopher Herring 14:32\r\n–how about the community though? So in a previous interview that I had with Miss June Parker, she talked about how the– the community was so tight knit, that they policed it themselves and that the families would talk to each other about, you know–\r\n\r\n\r\nWalter Perry 14:49  \r\n–That's not always true either.--\r\n\r\n\r\nChristopher Herring  14:52  \r\n–Today– today it’s not true?\r\n\r\n\r\nWalter Perry  14:53  \r\n–Today it’s not true because you got different dynamics now. One, social media, that’s– that plays a real big part a lot of communications not happening or– or happening in the wrong way. Two, families is not structured like they are, like they once was. When– when– say, for instance, if me and my– my wife got into problems with our marriage, people in our family would come together and make a dinner, and try to like, keep us together. But now, these days, if– if me and my wife got into it, somebody’d be like, “Man, you need to leave that fool, you don’t need him, take the kids.” There's no– there's no, “Hey, man let’s– hey, what are y’all doing? Let's get this together.” It's more like, “Yeah, yeah, you already knew that was gonna be messed up, so just leave it alone.” So that patience for one another– So, just like you, if– if you interviewing me right now, and then I say something you don't like you say, “Interview’s over.” I'm like, “Wow, okay.” Then, you know, you're not really giving me the opportunity to address how I want to say it. But at the same time, if you’re trying to ask me questions, but I'm not letting you, then I'm not letting you do that. And so that's what it comes down to is respecting each other's– not only point of view– but just allowing you the opportunity to get out what you need to get out.\r\n\r\n\r\nChristopher Herring  16:08  \r\nSo our organizations within our city, and let's say the East Side, are the organizations that have missions to protect and defend and serve the community, are they doing their jobs? Or are there opportunities even for them to improve to do their job? \r\n\r\n\r\nWalter Perry 16:27  \r\nWhat do you mean doing their jobs? \r\n\r\n\r\nChristopher Herring  16:29  \r\nWell, I mean, if we're talking about– so back in the day, you would have organizations like SNCC [Student Nonviolent Coordinating Community], you'd have organizations like the Montgomery Improvement Association, you know, that were associations of neighbors in which they would say, “Hey, you know, we're going to boycott XYZ, because we see that we're not being treated fairly.” So when we talk about memberships to organizations, whether they be Black Chambers [of Commerce], or NAACP’s [National Association for the Advancement of Colored People] or any other organization–\r\n\r\n\r\nWalter Perry  16:57  \r\n–We got Neighborhoods First Alliance, with, you know, T.C. Calvert. And that brother has been a mentor to me, too, he's been instrumental. You got other– see, those organizations serve that purpose for that. Now you got the organizations like, like I s– like Neighborhoods First Alliance, then you got the Black contractors, I think they still got that. But those– those organizations have morphed into more sophisticated agencies for our people. You got SAGE [San Antonio for Growth on the East Side], which is supposed to be the revitalization of the East Side. That is our spokesperson for how the east side is supposed to look. Then you have other organizations. The East Side Promise Zone– those are our– those are our artists, that's supposed to paint the picture for how the East Side is supposed to look in the next five or ten years. Well–\r\n\r\n\r\nChristopher Herring  17:50 \r\n–And you have your churches and your mosques–\r\n\r\n\r\nWalter Perry 17:52\r\nAnd your churches and your mosques. You have– you have your tra– so everybody– everybody plays a part. It’s– it’s a lot more sophisticated now. And the reason why I brought those agencies is because those are– those are the leading agencies right now that– that are at the table with– with the decision makers. That are at the table with the people that have the funding to do the things. And so, you know, I emphasize those programs, because, you know, I've been a part of those cultures. But at the same time, there– there's another culture, there's an innovative culture, that’s– that's happening right now. And– and those are your entrepreneurs, those are your– your photographers, those are your T-shirt makers, those are your barbers that are morphing into a more sophisticated type of, you know, type of businesses and stuff like that. And there has to be room for them. You know, and there has to be room for people like Walter Perry, who has the SuitUp program that has served over 250 people. There's room for everybody.\r\n\r\n\r\nChristopher Herring  18:48  \r\nParticularly considering, when we look at the incarceration patterns, and then those who are released, the– many of them, actually majority of them, actually come to the East Side at some point. And so, you know, what are those services like for them as they're making a transition? \r\n\r\n\r\nWalter Perry  19:06  \r\nWell, I can only tell you this from experience. I did almost eight years in the penitentiary. I went from 93 to ‘01, I've been out since 2001. So, you know, when I came home, they had project RIO [Reintegration of Offenders]. Project RIO was an entity through the state where you can go, they’ll give you this card, and you can go to different jobs, and you will more than likely get hired. But they took that away during the [George W.] Bush years. So now what you have– you just have different agencies that you can go to, but they're not really hitting the need. Because a lot of these guys need immediate needs. They need food, they need some type of employment, and those– they have roughly between 30 to 90 days to get those services. And if those services are not being met, then you run the risk of them going– either going back to the penitentiary or committing another crime. Yes. \r\n\r\n\r\nChristopher Herring  19:56\r\nBut that's the bullseye. \r\n\r\n\r\nWalter Perry  19:57\r\nThat's the bullseye and so– all right– San Antonio Fighting Back– I can use them because they serve a host of different needs. Linda Tippins, she's the peer recovery, she works with a lot of the different, you know, prisoners that come home, right? Then– then you have– then you have Willie Mitchell. Willie Mitchell is more of– he has, you know, he's the– he's like the grandfather that you can come to him, you can talk to him and he knows a lot about life. So they have the type of training that– and type of experience to– to deal with all types of people. And two, they deal with the people that we– other people would deem deplorable. And so we need– we need the Linda Tippins out there. We need the Willie Mitchells out there. You know, we need to– we need the Keelys, you know, you know, we need those–\r\n\r\n\r\nChristopher Herring  20:44\r\nKeely Pettys.\r\n\r\n\r\nWalter Perry  20:46\r\nKeely Pettys out there to go out there and minister to those type of people and to tell their stories. And that's what it is– is that not enough– not enough of these– not of these [with air quotes] “bourgeois” people, who consider themselves bourgeois, they don't tell their stories, the true stories about you came up poor, you struggled. So why are you not passing that knowledge to the next person? Why are you not sharing that story to let somebody know that you've been through that same thing? You acting like what that person is going through is just an anomaly. You know, that's crazy. Yeah, you have to embrace– you have to embrace everybody's struggle. And I think that's probably what's been– that's probably what's– what's allowed the community to embrace me enough, is that I've never ran from my struggle. I've always– I've always told my story and told people that, you know, no matter what you go through, you're worthy. You're deserving of that. And Chris, you know, you’ve– you've had a hand in helping me. ‘Cause there’s been some times where I've almost made some bad decisions. You said, “No, brother, there's a better way to do that.” But I have to be open to that type of stuff.\r\n\r\n\r\nChristopher Herring  21:50  \r\nWell, I just want to say, as a part of the 300 Voices in 300 Days, this is what it's about. You know, I now know that my love for you is your transparency. And so many people struggle with transparency. And you've never shied away from your history, you've actually used that as the foundation of your ministry. And so I just want to encourage you to keep doing that. Keep being a positive driving force to change– change then which may make people uncomfortable. Because it's really the young people who need to be encouraged that we have people like you who are still fighting the fight of good faith. I want to say to our TAAN audience that 300 Voices in 300 Days is brought to you by TAAN TV. Today, we had the great pleasure, opportunity, to speak to Mr. Walter Perry. My brother here is really, you know, he's– he's got a focus, he's got a vision. And I'm just so proud that we're able to capture your story, your message. Because it– this is a very important piece of the fabric of who we are as a community. So again, thank you for tuning in. You can check us out on Roku, on the internet, on TAAN T– TAAN dot TV  [TAAN.TV], and you can see this video in its full. So thank you again. And God bless you, my brother.\r\n\r\n\r\nWalter Perry  23:12  \r\nThank you, brother. God bless you too. \r\n\r\n\r\nChristopher Herring   23:18\r\nAll right.\r\n\r\n\r\nTranscribed by https://otter.ai","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/131066/file/245320#t=0.0,1398.144"}]}]}]}