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I'm your host, Tyrone Darden, and this is TAAN TV, the African American Network. Today we have another distinguished guest, Jackie Gorman, one of 300 voices. She's going to tell us a little bit about herself. \n\nJackie Gorman","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/131964/file/246574#t=4.0,20.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/131964/file/246574/transcript/68739/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What do you want to know? \n\nTyrone Darden","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/131964/file/246574#t=20.0,21.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/131964/file/246574/transcript/68739/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"To start off, tell us a little bit about you. Where you from, just your background, how you- how you made it to the position you are right now with SAGE [San Antonio for Growth on the Eastside].\n\nJackie Gorman","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/131964/file/246574#t=21.0,28.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/131964/file/246574/transcript/68739/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I am originally from Detroit. My father was military, and so we moved around. One thing that people don't know about me and sometimes are surprised to hear is that the first home that I remember was in the projects in Detroit. Detroit had high rise projects, we lived on like the 12th floor, and I remember living there until I was- ‘till we were- ‘till I was about five I think, but that was my first home. We moved all over the world with my father, though. I graduated from high school in Panama. After high school, I went to University of Michigan for undergraduate, left Michigan, went to the army where I was a military intelligence officer, left the army and worked for Procter and Gamble where I sold Tide for a year, that's probably my worst job, I hated that job. Then I built houses for a while for a company called US Home that’s now known as Lennar. And then I ended up here in San Antonio in the late 80s, working for the Texas A\u0026M University system, worked for them for about 15 years and started my own business where I was a headhunter doing executive search all around the world. And finally, I joined SAGE in 2010. And I now serve as Executive Director of SAGE.\n\nTyrone Darden","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/131964/file/246574#t=28.0,105.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/131964/file/246574/transcript/68739/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay, so you- you've heard the background of Jackie Gorman. She is the Executive Director of SAGE. Can you give us a little bit of background on SAGE? We know it’s San Antonio Growth for the Eastside. But just in regards of where did it start, you know, is it a city program? How is it funded, things like that.\n\nJackie Gorman","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/131964/file/246574#t=105.0,124.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/131964/file/246574/transcript/68739/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay so SAGE actually started back in 1998 and it was called– let me see if I can get this name straight– the Eastern San Antonio Community Economic Development Corporation,\n\nTyrone Darden","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/131964/file/246574#t=124.0,138.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/131964/file/246574/transcript/68739/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That’s a lot.\n\nJackie Gorman","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/131964/file/246574#t=138.0,139.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/131964/file/246574/transcript/68739/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That is a lot. And so they changed the name in around ‘99, or 2000 to CERA, which was the Community Economic Revitalization Agency. And then in 2007, 2008, the name was changed again to SAGE, which is San Antonio for Growth on the East Side. Some constants through all that name changing: SAGE was never a department of the city. No matter what our name was, we were always a 501(C)(3), which means that we are a nonprofit, we do get money from the city as a contract– as a contractor, but that is not the whole of our budget, we get money from all sorts of places. Like any other nonprofit CEO, my responsibility is to go out and raise money to do the programs that we do.\n\nTyrone Darden","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/131964/file/246574#t=139.0,186.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/131964/file/246574/transcript/68739/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Excellent, excellent. So, you know, we kind of know the origins. I won't even try to repeat the original name. CERA, that's I can-- I can do CERA all day. And now we're SAGE. So the primary mission of SAGE is–\n\nJackie Gorman","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/131964/file/246574#t=186.0,202.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/131964/file/246574/transcript/68739/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"To really promote development. And that's economic development, real estate development, any type of development that is going to improve the quality of life for the residents of the Eastside. That's really, in a nutshell, what we do. We focus right now on economic development. We go out, we recruit businesses to come to the East Side, we help businesses who are already here stabilize or sometimes help them grow, we provide technical assistance, we have loan programs and grant programs, we even have a small equity fund that's fully invested right now. But we were able to make equity investments in some East Side businesses. \n\nTyrone Darden","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/131964/file/246574#t=202.0,244.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/131964/file/246574/transcript/68739/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Excellent. So obviously, the mission is tied into the– like you said– the economic development– But building up that commerce, here locally throughout businesses on the East Side. So you know, they have that old cliche, that old saying, “If you don't know your past, you’re doomed to repeat it.” But also in knowing your past, you can know the things that worked and don't work. I know you're– I'm sure you're a student of our economic history on the East Side and our businesses. How does– does SAGE kind of– I guess– pull back those staples in our community, kind of get that wealth of knowledge of people that have been here-- those businesses that have been here-- to help connect to what we're trying to do today.\n\nJackie Gorman","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/131964/file/246574#t=244.0,287.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/131964/file/246574/transcript/68739/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know, there are businesses that have been here in our community for a long time. And actually, a couple of weeks ago, we had our Eastside business awards. And one thing that we like to do during those awards is recognize those businesses that have been in the community for generations. We call those our pioneering spirit folks. And we'd recognize this year we recognized Midtown because Midtown has been here forever through thick and thin. Last year, though, we recognized Beacon’s and almost everybody in San Antonio has had some interaction with Beacon’s. When we first announced that Beacon’s was an award winner, I can't tell you the number of people who told me, I got my first suit at Beacon’s, or that was where I had my first credit account at Beacon’s. So they have really been a staple in our community. And so we try to recognize those. We also– we have several advisory committees where community business owners and community people have the opportunity to give some input into the programs that we offer. Mr. Charles Williams is like the dean of Eastside businesses and, and so you know, he always has something to add and something to say. Actually, I owe him a phone call, ‘cause he said there was something we needed to be doing that we weren't doing right now. We always need to listen to our elders and learn from them. \n\nTyrone Darden","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/131964/file/246574#t=287.0,363.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/131964/file/246574/transcript/68739/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Excellent. So that's always a plus, a positive thing, like you said. You're from all over, roots in Detroit, and graduated from high school in Panama, but you’re here in San Antonio now. I know you're very committed to– at least since 2017– to SAGE, as it transitioned from CERA and those other names to kind of building on the East Side in the economic way. So it's good to get to those people who've been here, so you can kind of understand what's worked, what hasn't worked, and how can we move forward. With that being said, 300 years of San Antonio history, 300 years of black history, what are some things that you can point to the community– point– point at in the community, business-wise, past, present and hopefully future, that you can say, “You know what? That's something that Black ministers had their hand on.” Or in the future, or something, as president, SAGE has its hand on.\n\nJackie Gorman","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/131964/file/246574#t=363.0,418.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/131964/file/246574/transcript/68739/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know, when you talk about the past, when you talk about over the 300 years, you got to look at the work that– that Artemisia Bowden did in starting St. Philip's College. You know that had an amazing impact on San Antonio's growth, both in the African American community and the community at large. You know, you have to look at what the Suttons [Samuel J. Sutton and Family] brought to the city through the radio station, through the funeral home and the various businesses that they– they started. Actually the building that we are in right now is the Beacon Light Lodge Building, and that building was the first home of the Beacon Light Lodge of the Prince Hall Masons. And what we've learned is that the Lodge met upstairs, but they rented out the downstairs to a funeral home. So you know, we were talking entrepreneurship way back when. And so there– there is so much history of strong African American businesses all along in Ellis Alley, and even more recently in– along New Braunfels [Avenue]. And so what we really need to do is to try to memorialize that history, to respect that history, but not let trying to hold on to the past keep us from progressing into the future.\n\nTyrone Darden","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/131964/file/246574#t=418.0,494.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/131964/file/246574/transcript/68739/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay, so, couple more questions, I think. Maybe we're gonna have some fun with this one, and maybe not ‘cause it is kind of a serious question. If you had a magic wand– so unlimited resources, no bureaucracies, you know, no boycotting, just never– just everything positive– you can do whatever you want to do– What-- how would you use that negative-- that negative wand– that magic wand? How would you use that magic wand to kind of be a catalyst to economic development and that growth for the Eastside here in our community,\n\nJackie Gorman","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/131964/file/246574#t=494.0,531.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/131964/file/246574/transcript/68739/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Two things that I would do. The first thing I would do is build all new schools and bring in all new resources. I would make the schools that serve our children on the East Side the best schools in the city. The second thing that I would do is build some new houses, some new houses that are the types of houses there folks with families want to live in. You know, there is some value to a 600 square foot house, but you can't build a community on a 600 square foot house. So we need to build some houses that will stop our folks from leaving the community when they gain a little bit of affluence and give them an opportunity to stay in the community. And then with appropriate housing stock and good schools, you will see the Eastside become repopulated because that's one of the most disheartening things that I see when I'm looking at the statistics. The city has grown, and over the last 10 years the Eastside has actually lost population and that's never positive. But once we get those two things, my job becomes so much easier. Because retailers will come, the amenities will follow the houses, you know, and the houses will follow the school. So if we could put those together, I think we would see a whole rebirth of the Eastside that used to be.\n\nTyrone Darden","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/131964/file/246574#t=531.0,614.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/131964/file/246574/transcript/68739/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I agree, I agree. So as you know, I'm a lifelong member of the East Side, born and raised here, went to the schools here and things like that. So coming back to the community, I'm always involved, I go to as many meetings as I can. And I listened to our leadership. I listened to James Howard. One of the things that touched me that he said was, “We have to start telling our own story.” So we can't wait for the mainstream media and, and the mainstream radio and other, you know, other avenues to tell our story. We have to be a voice to ourselves. I look at Charles Williams. And so you know, like you said, He's the godfather of Black business and business in general here in this community. Back maybe about five years ago, he told me, “We need leadership that knows where the restroom is.” So we need people, once they get to the door, they know what doors to walk through, they know where this is and that is. One thing I've always heard you say, and it's really kind of put things in perspective, is that-- that concept of the three-legged stool. So I've heard it several times- more than several times, and I get it. But I think it's a concept that I think our viewers at TAAN and our community needs to know. And if they can let it marinate, and maybe even apply it to the conversations and even the actions that they're out there doing in the community, maybe we can have a little bit more progress and sustainability. So African American Network, the three legged stool.\n\n[Mutually laugh]\n\nJackie Gorman","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/131964/file/246574#t=614.0,707.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/131964/file/246574/transcript/68739/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So if you think of the work of revitalizing a community as a three-legged stool, think of the seat of the stool as a seat. You know, you need all three legs to hold that seat up. And the three legs are: housing and safety, so we call that one leg, education and workforce development is the other leg, and then the third leg is economic development, job creation, and amenities and all of those things. What happens is those three legs have to rise at the same time. If one goes faster than the other one, the seat’s going to be tilted and everything's going to fall over. So they have to work in concert with each other, and that's why you see us partnering with folks. Because no matter how hard I work, or the staff at SAGE works, we can't make the community come back without the other two things. And no matter how hard they work at SAISD [San Antonio Independent School District], they can't fix their leg unless we're working on our leg. So they all have to work together.\n\nTyrone Darden","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/131964/file/246574#t=707.0,770.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/131964/file/246574/transcript/68739/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So for me, what I've understood, over the years of hearing that part of the presentation, is it's more than one entity. It takes a collaboration. It takes those– those collaborators working together at a– at a progressive level to ensure that you don't have this long economic development leg and no houses, you know. Because they need each other for sustainability. And so I'm looking at our community, and I've seen a lot of growth. And– and I know you would say, “Well, it's not because of SAGE. It's because of SAGE, and the school district, and the businesses, and all these other things, because we're working together.” I would think over these 300 years the reason why we're still here is because in some capacity we've been working together. And so for our future in our next 300 years, I think that's a key deal. We have to start working together, and we have to keep working together. So with that being said, I'm gonna let our– one of– one voice of 300 give her final words ‘cause I know she has some wisdom to give us. But I think so far, it's been some great information. I hope you guys have enjoyed it.\n\nJackie Gorman","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/131964/file/246574#t=770.0,840.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/131964/file/246574/transcript/68739/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So words of wisdom for the next 300 years: We have to develop our next generation of leaders. You know, I need to be looking at who's going to be the CEO of SAGE after me. And then really start looking at who's going to be the CEO of SAGE after that person. You know, we need to reach back and pull up young leaders and give folks the opportunity to learn things and do things and experience new things. Because no matter what we do or how successful we are at this revitalization effort, you cannot overcome 40 Years of neglect in 10 years. This is going to be generational, that we're going to continue to work on this. And if there's not someone to follow me or someone to follow you, Tyrone, then our work will have been for nothing. And so that's the thing that I want to say is that everybody who's out there doing great stuff, and there are many people on the Eastside doing great stuff, start thinking about who's going to take over doing your great stuff when you're not able to do it any longer.\n\nTyrone Darden","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/131964/file/246574#t=840.0,904.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/131964/file/246574/transcript/68739/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Excellent. So you heard it here: Succession, succession, succession, succession. Keep working, but make sure you're molding someone, you're modeling what those great and those good behaviors are, those-- those great practices are, to pass on to the next generation so we can have another productive and prosperous 300 years. Again, this has been one voice of 300, it’s Jackie Gorman, the executive director of SAGE. I'm your host, Tyrone Darden for TAAN TV, the African American Network. We hope to see you again. Thank you\n\nTranscribed by https://otter.ai","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/131964/file/246574#t=904.0,940.17257"}]}]}]}