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There are many African Americans who have made a significant impact on families in San Antonio, with education, with entertainment. And we have with us today, Miss Carolyn McClure, who's a retired educator. And we're going to learn more about her now. So, Miss McClure, tell me a little bit. Where were you born?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=0.0,38.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carolyn McClure: I was born here in San Antonio, Texas, on the East Side.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=38.0,43.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saundra Nichols: Okay, wonderful. What schools did you attend in San Antonio?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=43.0,48.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carolyn McClure: I went to Dorie Miller Elementary School, Edgar Allan Poe Middle School, and Sam Houston High School.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=48.0,57.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saundra Nichols: So tell me, what did your parents do as you were growing up? What is their background?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=57.0,64.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carolyn McClure: My father was a barber. He had a barber shop on East Commerce Street, near downtown. And my mother, she cooked at different places. Broadway Bank was one of the ones that she worked at, and the telephone company, she worked for the Millsaps. And also, she spent most of her time cooking.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=64.0,87.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saundra Nichols: So I’ll bet that you're a really good cook too, then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=87.0,90.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carolyn McClure: No, not really. \n\n[Mutual laughter]\n\nI used to watch my mother cook. Because, you know, she had seven kids, I have s- had si- six siblings, and when she would come home in the evening, she would have to get dinner prepared for all of us. So she told me one time, I said, “Mom, you didn’t teach me how to cook,” you know, and she said, “Well, I really didn't have time ‘cause I had to get you guys together, get you ready for school, fix lunches for you all”–because there was no such thing as a free lunch during that time. But I used to stand and watch- and watch her. And, you know, we would talk during that time. So I do know a little bit about cooking.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=90.0,128.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saundra Nichols: Just a little bit. And, you know, that happens a lot, I think, for a lot of moms. I think when our mothers have several children and they cook and they're really good cooks, they don't spend a lot of time showing us. I grew up with three sisters and myself. So four girls, and my mother was a fabulous cook, but she never really showed us how to cook. She did all the cooking. We did all the eating so we know what good food tastes like. So I understand you're a retired educator. Tell us about your accomplishments as an educator.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=128.0,162.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carolyn McClure: Well, first of all, I worked in the San Antonio Independent School District as an educator for thirty-nine years. I almost did forty, but thirty-nine was it for me. I started teaching at Bowden Elementary School, and I taught there for nineteen years. I then went off into administration in the district. And I finished- my last thirteen years, I finished as a principal at Cameron Elementary School.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=162.0,194.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saundra Nichols: Oh, wow. I've done some volunteering at Cameron.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=194.0,197.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carolyn McClure: Oh, wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=197.0,198.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saundra Nichols: Yeah, and so the school is not too far from here. Just a great group of children that, I feel like, we made such an impact on them when we were there with the reading program that was set up. So wow, that's great. How many positions have you held as an educator?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=198.0,217.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carolyn McClure: Three: a teacher–","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=217.0,219.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saundra Nichols: So, a teacher–","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=219.0,220.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carolyn McClure: –assistant principal, and the principal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=220.0,221.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saundra Nichols: –the principal. Principal. And so you stopped shy of forty years for your retirement. Thirty-nine years, that's a long time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=221.0,231.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carolyn McClure: That’s a long time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=231.0,232.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saundra Nichols: That’s a long time. Well, how many schools, so, have you been employed at?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=232.0,237.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carolyn McClure: I would say the main schools that I’ve worked in: Dorie Miller, Riverside Park, Cameron Elementary School, Travis. As an assistant principal, I had to move around. Sometimes I had two schools, you know, because they were smaller schools. And so I would work in two schools. You know, three days at one and two in- at the other. And so I think I've been employed at about six or seven.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=237.0,265.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saundra Nichols: Okay. I wonder, I've not heard of principals rotating between schools, but I guess that's pretty–","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=265.0,271.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carolyn McClure: This is–","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=271.0,271.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saundra Nichols: –common with the smaller–.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=271.0,272.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carolyn McClure: Yeah. It was assistant principal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=272.0,275.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saundra Nichols: So as the assistant principal–","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=275.0,275.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carolyn McClure: Assistant, you were- yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=275.0,277.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saundra Nichols: –rotating, then, between the smaller schools. And, like, how many students were there at Cameron, though, when you retired?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=277.0,285.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carolyn McClure: There were 479 students there when I retired. When I went there, there were only 250 students. So over the thirteen years, and my reputation got out there and people were sending their kids to school from Northeast School District and other districts, because they felt that we had a nice school where the kids were learning.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=285.0,311.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saundra Nichols: Right. So with the school, because it grew so significantly, or the population of the school, what was the student-teacher ratio there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=311.0,320.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carolyn McClure: Well, you know, and from kinder through fourth grade, it's one through twenty-two. They can have twenty-two kids. And the fifth grade, sometimes they would have twenty-five kids in each fifth grade- twenty-five to- sometimes to twenty-nine, let’s say, students in each class.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=320.0,337.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saundra Nichols: That's awesome. Did they do any additions to the school, or was it, like, the portable buildings as a school group, or–?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=337.0,345.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carolyn McClure: Well, at the time that I was there, we had the portables outside. When I went there, we didn't have any portables, maybe one. But because the population grew– and at one time, we had Pre-K3 through eighth grade. And so we had to add portables. But right before I left, I was told that they were going to build a school, a new school, new Cameron. And so they did, and it's absolutely beautiful. So I didn't get the opportunity to go into the new school, but I've gone over to look at it. 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It's grown just a little bit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=388.0,396.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saundra Nichols: Just a little bit, then. I bet they miss having you over there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=396.0,399.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carolyn McClure: And I miss being there, too. \n\n[Mutual laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=399.0,402.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saundra Nichols: Yes, well what do you feel your greatest contribution has been to San Antonio?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=402.0,408.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carolyn McClure: Well, as an educator, I feel I was an awesome teacher at Bowden Elementary School. I taught language arts there. And I see so many of my kids who have done such, you know, nice jobs, you know, in their lives, or are finishing college. And we have one that's a neurosurgeon, one [laughs] we have one that’s a psychiatrist–she came back to see me. And then [laughs] we have, you know, others that became teachers, others that were editors of the magazine. Once I became principal, I hired several of the kids that I had taught as teachers at Cameron Elementary School.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=408.0,453.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saundra Nichols: There must be an awesome experience for them to have come through your school and then to have the opportunity to get to work for you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=453.0,459.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carolyn McClure: Work with me.\n\n[Both speakers]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=459.0,461.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=461.0,461.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carolyn McClure: Yes, again. And… no, I think I had an impact. As the principal, I was able to impact more students as a principal. You know, each year with like 400 kids, and overseeing, you know, their education. And so I love t- teaching, I love to be in with the kids, and I just love being a part of their lives. And so I do think that when I look back at things that- well, I did the best that I could, but I think that I did an awesome job with its kids.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=461.0,497.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saundra Nichols: I bet- are you still friends with many of the teachers or still have a rapport with many of the teachers?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=497.0,505.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carolyn McClure: Yes. They still call me. Some come around, want to know how I'm doing, you know, and everything, or if I run into ‘em, you know, at the store, or something. But yeah, I do have a relationship with a lot of those teachers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=505.0,518.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saundra Nichols: That's great to hear the impact that you've made, not only on the students, but I'm sure, also the staff, the teachers that have worked alongside with you and worked for you. And I think we need more of that. Just, I can tell just by talking to you that you have quite a love for education.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=518.0,536.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carolyn McClure: I do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=536.0,537.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saundra Nichols: And I think nowadays, we need more teachers who just love being around kids and love making that- having that impact on them. 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But a lot of times the teachers had input into what we were doing. We were a team and we worked together. And when they had different things to do, I would be there. And so I expected the same thing when we had- I had different things that I needed them to do at school, then they were there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=549.0,605.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saundra Nichols: Right, and just supporting each other.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=605.0,607.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carolyn McClure: Each other. Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=607.0,609.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saundra Nichols: And so you find that people probably give a lot more back–","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=609.0,613.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carolyn McClure: They do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=613.0,614.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saundra Nichols: –when they know that they're fully supported.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=614.0,614.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carolyn McClure: Most definitely. They definitely do give a lot back when- if they feel like they're a part of it. They feel like, you know, like, I know that I'm not- I can't decorate at all. So- but we had to have things that- where we needed to decorate and everything, that I had teachers there that were just awesome, you know, in doing that. So, that's your job. [Laughs.]\n\n[transition]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=614.0,639.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saundra Nichols: [Inaudible] … we're all good at something, not good at everything, so. Let me ask you, why do you give back to the community? Because I know you're still doing a lot of things where you're engaged in your community, but why do you give back to the community?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=639.0,655.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carolyn McClure: I just think that it's important for me to give back. I feel blessed. And that because I do have things to offer, then I feel that it's important for me to give back, to share, to let others know that it's okay, you know, for you to share and to be a part of something. So, I think- and then it fulfills me, too, that I'm able to– although I'm not there on the payroll, that I’m able to go in and do different things and help the principal as well as some of the students, and as well as the teachers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=655.0,689.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saundra Nichols: Right. And that's needed. It really is needed, where people continue to make that significant contribution where they know they're good, ‘cause we all kind of know the things that we're good at. And like you described earlier, everybody's not good at everything, but where you are good, you're still making that contribution back to your community. So tell me– and this is my last- actually, a couple of questions for you. But tell us a little bit about your experience as a teacher. What did you best like about being a teacher?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=689.0,724.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carolyn McClure: Well, when I first started teaching, I walked into a classroom of thirty-six sixth graders, and I was twenty years old. And after a few days, I went home and told my mother, “They’re even listening to me,” you know. But I felt like I was- I was excellent at, you know, presenting information and being able to present it to them in different ways, in different forms, you know, so that everybody was learning. And so that's one of the things that I pride myself on as- in being a teacher. And sometimes I've walked into a few classrooms, as I'm going through to observe the teachers, and I can know, I say, “Oh, she's just like me.” Because you have to be a little bit animated, you know, to get through to the kids. I'm not just standing up there, “la, la, la”, you know, and everything. We are interacting with each other, you know, and I might stand and turn and do a little dance and [inaudible]–","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=724.0,788.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saundra Nichols: Oh, they loved that, I’m sure. [laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=788.0,791.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carolyn McClure: [laughs] –to get my point across, you know, and everything. So I- I really love that, you know, as a teacher, and it was such a joy when we’d take some students– I had one little boy had come to me one time and to tell me, it was his first- you know, at the beginning of the year, and he was in my classroom. So he came up to my desk to tell me, he said, “You know, I really want to be in your classroom, but I can't read.” And I said, “Yes you can.” I said, “You’ll be able to read before you leave here,” and everything. And so- and he was able to read after that, you know, and everything. And I told ‘em, “Yes you can. You can learn. You can learn to read.” But, you know, little things like that along the way, when you see that you're really helping students and that they're able to really understand and they enjoy being in there and that they're learning, you know, which then makes me feel good as a teacher. And to see them at the beginning of the year and then see them at the end. And then to see them as adults, and how articulate and intelligent they are. And I take pride in that because fifth grade- as research will show, most students or most kids will remember their fifth grade teachers. And also- and they do ‘cause I’ve seen some and I'll say, “I remember your face, you’ll have to tell me your name.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=791.0,875.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saundra Nichols: Right, of course. Wow, that's great. Those are really great stories. And why is it important for u- ou- for us to tell our own stories? I mean, we have a lot of stories to tell, but why is it important for us to tell our own stories?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=875.0,891.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carolyn McClure: Because a lot of times, our stories won't be told if we don't tell ‘em ourselves. And I’ve, you know, worked in a district with, you know, like three or four different ethnicities, and a lot of times you see that, although you've done this fabulous job, they're really not talking about you, or if they have something to tell, they're not talking about you. I was told by my supervisor before I left, he had asked me if the superintendent had called me and I said, “No. Well, you know, again, call me for what? Am I in trouble?” Then he said, “No,” he said, “he's using your school as an example when he talks to different- other superintendents around the district, where there's teamwork.” I didn't steal- I- it was just me that everybody had to dress professionally: did not allow teachers to come in jeans, there was no day that we had- you know, where they could, you know, wear tee shirts at all. So I always want us to look professionally- I had heard once upon a time that, you know, Black kids are impressed by the way that you dress. And if you want them to respect you and to see you, you know, as someone to respect, then you need to come before them and present yourselves in that manner. Over at Cameron, I was the- had the largest percentage of Black kids on any white campus. So I was really happy that I got the opportunity to go over and work with them and the parents and the community. A lot of people don't understand, if you incorporate all of that into your school, the community will give you money, they will buy you Christmas trees, the kids toys, they will just do anything. But you have to go to the place across the street or the store across the street and ask, “What can you do for me?” And parents, they were there on campus, we- when I first started there, of course, nobody wanted me there. The parents- and they wanted the principal that was there. But after a while we talked and I showed them some things, and- and they just loved it. And I asked one parent to go home–and the child was in second grade–go home and have your child to read this second grade book for you. And when she came back, “Oh, she can't read.” I said, “But she will. She will.” And I think it's so important that we as Black people, get our kids to read, just read for enjoyment. I read for enjoyment all my life. You would be surprised about that vocabulary building, writing abil- ability, you know, and if you just read. And- and then all the- whole wealth of information that you get from reading. And I think that the little cell phones with the internet and stuff on, you very seldom see a kid pick up a book.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=891.0,1087.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saundra Nichols: I know. I know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=1087.0,1088.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carolyn McClure: I love books. [Laughs] I really do. And- and one of the things that- or, well, several things that we, you know, put into play at Cameron, we had a book club, and that- and it included the parents too, because- and we were reading the, uh,  books that, you know, most everybody needs to read and stuff. And some of the parents had not read, had not finished school, so they were very interested. And on the last Thursday of every month, then we had a book club dinner where the kids dressed and we put out, you know, the place settings and all this. I told ‘em, “When you go to college, after you do that, you're gonna have to go to social functions and all, and you really need to know how to- what fork to use, what glass is yours, and all–","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=1088.0,1135.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saundra Nichols: Teach them proper etiquette.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=1135.0,1137.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carolyn McClure: Yes, proper etiquette. We worked on that, along with, you know, just reading books and presenting and, you know, everybody had to do a presentation. And most of the time the parent and the child would present some type of- either a drawing, you know, or something that they put together to show that they had read the book. But, you know, the parents were really, they were like, “Oh my god, we're gonna read?” Uh-huh, yes. And- and they, “Miss McClure, what page are you on?” And I'm like, “Oh, I already read it,” you know, and stuff. And I asked her, “Well, I got up to page fifty-two.” But just to keep the parents involved in–","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=1137.0,1177.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saundra Nichols: Keep ‘em engaged.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=1177.0,1178.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carolyn McClure: –what we were doing at the school. We also had Laura Thompson who came in with the Read and Lead program. And so on Saturdays we would go to different stores, barber shops, or wherever and have our kids to read to them: the different people in the barber shop or at the grocery store and all. And s- and they loved that, too. But- and then we also had a- what was it called? The reading cafe that she did, and–","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=1178.0,1210.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saundra Nichols: I participated in one of those. I actually went to Cameron. The first time I participated in the Read and Lead was at Cameron Elementary. And Laura asked me to get up, I came in and she says, “I'm gonna need you to emcee this event.” And so I was just really surprised at the number of parents that were there sitting in the cafeteria, just watching their children read. And the kids were just so excited, kind of running around, but then once they got their books, they sat down, everything was very orderly. And as she says, “If you can read, you can lead.” And that is very true.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=1210.0,1252.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carolyn McClure: And, you know, to get the kids to buy in and the parents to buy in and all- and participate, and they're just excited about it. I had a four year old who lived with his grandparents, and we were going to a Read and Lead event, and he just wanted me to know that he could read that book. And what had happened with the four year old, he had memorized that book. ‘Cause I took him and started pointing to words in the book and stuff, and he couldn't tell me what the words were, but he had memorized the whole book.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=1252.0,1285.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saundra Nichols: He had memorized the whole book.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=1285.0,1286.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carolyn McClure: He was so excited. I will never forget that. Because he's gonna be a good reader, though, ‘cause he knew to do that. And then, you know, with pointing to the words for him he’s gonna be a- he was gonna be a good reader. And, you know, he wanted to do it, and that's the exciting thing. And there's- I think he was being raised by his grandmother, and so she sat down with him and told him, so he memorized it and he was just going through. It was just absolutely beautiful, my heart was just, oh my god.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=1286.0,1316.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saundra Nichols: I mean, that's amazing. That's amazing. And just the amazing stories and something- a lot of people may think something as simple as just sitting down with a book, just introducing a child to a book can change their life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=1316.0,1332.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carolyn McClure: Change their life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=1332.0,1332.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saundra Nichols: I mean, it makes such an impact on them. And I don't know that a lot of people really understand the importance of that. But I love the idea where you have the dinner, invited the parents and their children in–","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=1332.0,1345.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carolyn McClure: And their children.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=1345.0,1346.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saundra Nichols: –the parents read, and just for the children to get the opportunity to see their parents reading. And so is that something that you–","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=1346.0,1355.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carolyn McClure: We grew up–","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=1355.0,1356.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saundra Nichols: –you came up with? Was that one of your own initiatives, or–?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=1356.0,1360.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carolyn McClure: Oh, yes. The book club was, and so- of course, I looked at Oprah. She had her own book club.Yeah. And we said, “Why not?” You know, there were a lot of naysayers. We're gonna do this, you know. And I had the lady who, whatever the theme was of the book, my teachers would decorate and all, and we’d go to the dollar store and buy different things. And a lot of times, because we were doing that, some of the teachers would go out– we read a book about Chinese- some little Chinese boys, and one of the ladies on my staff went and got the people to come in with that dragon that night and come through. We read Sounder, and they were talking about the, you know, the dogs and the masters being able to recognize their dogs about their bark. One of my teachers had someone to bring in, you know, one of those– called coon dogs that they called ‘em, and- and the head on that dog was enormous. We even took a picture with a newborn up to the head. And those dogs are so very well-trained, because we wanted it to bark because that was one of the things in the book that they kept talking about. And he said, “He's so well-trained, he won’t bark in this building, but if you take him out.” [laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=1360.0,1436.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saundra Nichols: He was very gentle, then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=1436.0,1438.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carolyn McClure: Yeah. So our kids got to learn a lot of things. I found that it was important for them to have different activities, or to be involved in different things because a lot of times, they asked on that test at the end of the year to write about something that excited you, write about something that made you be sad. And a lot of times our kids are writing about what's going on in their neighborhood because that's what they know. So I decided, “Oh, we're gonna take them places.” Naysayers, oh my goodness. We went to stay on the ship in Corpus Christi, they got to go to Austin, they got to go to Houston, just all types of different places. And then I said, “When they ask you to write about something, you have something to write about.” You know, ‘cause they were so excited about it. I’d get the big double decker buses from the city and everything and bring ‘em to them, so that they can go on those. But, you know, just providing them with the opportunities to see different things. I remember I had one eighth grade boy to call me and ask me– they were going out of town, and I think this was the first time and he had gotten to school about six o'clock and was there waiting with a big old bag to eat. You know, he had a bunch of stuff he could eat on the bus. But he called me, he got past Walzem Road, and he called me–secretary put it through–and he said, “Mrs. McClure, we- we just passed this place called Walzem Road. Are we out of town yet?”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=1438.0,1529.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saundra Nichols: Oh, my gosh–","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=1529.0,1531.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carolyn McClure: And I am just like–","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=1531.0,1531.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saundra Nichols: –[inaudible] might never have had–","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=1531.0,1533.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carolyn McClure: –no. And people don’t realize that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=1533.0,1533.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saundra Nichols: –had those opportunities, that exposure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=1533.0,1536.0"},{"id":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677/transcript/68774/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carolyn McClure: Yes. They don't realize that. So you want them to write– when I left Cameron, when the- my first year there, we had become a low-performing school because of the writing. And when I went through it, analyzed the data, I found out that the kids knew no mechanics. So it was important for us to do that, you know, as far as the mechanics were concerned. And when I left Cameron, my kids were making threes and fours and 100% of them were passing writing. So that's how hard we worked with those students. They were even able to go– and we had Pre-K3 through eighth grade. Our kids went to Sam Houston, they fed into Sam Houston. I was told by my supervisor at the time that the only kids that were really passing the test at Sam Houston were those coming from Cameron, you know. And so I was proud, very proud of that, because it took a lot to break that test down and to explain to the kids what it is that they needed to do, what kind- what were they asking you? What is it that you need to do in order to pass that test? So we worked on Saturdays, sometimes we even worked on Sundays with our kids and everything. But, I think- and we were a recognized school for about eight or nine of those thirteen years that I was there, because it took me some time to move them forward, to get them to read, you know, have math, teach math. I had my curriculum specialist who became my assistant principal, Miss Patricia House, she was a- she was a math wizard. And so she was able to put things together and- and to work with our kids in that area to bring them up to where they needed to be, by grade level. My forte was language arts, like I said, you know, the reading and English and all, so- and spelling and everything. So we were able to do quite a bit with those kids. When I left there, I left there, you know, proud. I left them in good hands. \n\n[End of Video]\n\nTranscribed by https://otter.ai","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://saaacam.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2808/collection_resources/127818/file/239677#t=1536.0,1664.0624"}]}]}]}